that same court which -- i guess it's why i don't bet because i wouldn't bet 50 cents 0 on hamdan winning but the ruling is support for terrorists is not an international law for offense. so of the six and a half convict, one has had his conviction overturned. so now we have five and a half convictions to our credit after 11 years of effort. if you followed the hamdan decision, there's another case -- abalu convicted of providing support and conspiracy. the department of the defense, brigadier general mark martins -- the fifth chief prosecutor, but he is -- the department of defense concluded material support and conspiracy are not legitimate international law offenses and they have declined to participate in the appeal and dropped the conspiracy charge against khallid shake mohammed the other detainees. so the department of justice insists on moving forward on the appeal that these are legitimate offenses. the government has two different points. but general martins did a podcast yesterday, if you follow that. and he -- why military commissions are necessary. number one, there's no other